John
hello?
i thought we moved this to 12 Beate? lol
Beate
Did we? Didn’t simon say keep it at the same time?
Maybe we didn’t
Maybe I’ve just made myself a fresh cup of shipped-from-oslo coffee half an hour early
*30 minutes later*
Beate
Nå da?
John
YES! Simon is just wrapping up his show
But I think we can get started. he can take a breath and join us
Beate
yep, Jen has to leave in 30 so let’s get started 🙂
John
clicks record button. CLICK!
Good afternoon lobster friends
Beate
Can’t believe you still believe you have any say over when this thing starts recording
Jen
Hello hello!
John
Since I was hosting today – i thought i would pivot away from what everyone seems to be talking about ALL THE TIME
Beate
Norway Day on May 17th you mean?
Fiscal year end?
John
which is course is how miserable we are from COVID-19
Beate
The weather?
John
lol
Simon
So sorry!
Jen
Hey Simon! GREAT show today
I was sobbing listening to Nicki and her make a wish story!
John
No… I thought the 4 of us could pull out our crystal balls and talk about the one or two things we think will be the big changes that will come to our sector after this is over… we all have our corners of expertise… so
Beate? Simon? Jen?
Simon
Great idea
Jen
?
Beate
Hm. The one thing I think, which has nothing to do with my expertise or our sector, is that a lot more sectors will ask rather than sell
I think they find it works better
Like artists
Jen
Well said — ask rather than sell!
John
how do you mean Beate?
Beate
Now they’ve been forced to try it out and found that people respond better and generosity feels good
Jen
Reminds me of Amanda Palmer… #legend
Simon
From Twin Peaks?
Beate
I mean all those artists who have now had living room concerts streamed while asking people to donate if they wish, rather than sell tickets.
John
man… so i can donate $30 and watch coldplay play in their studio from the comfort of my counch – in HD and 7.1 sound? brilliant
Beate
Yeah!
And I can still take part even if I can’t afford that $30.
Simon
You’re not going to like my answer. I think it’s the beginning of the end for charity
Beate
ho?
no
how?
Simon
Just a total shift in how money works, how services are provided and how wealth is distrubuted
Simon
go on simon
Simon
I guess charities will exist…but to implement services paid for by state
Fundraising will die out because it’s a ridiculous concept
Beate
So basically becoming norwegian?
Jen
I was JUST about to say this.
Simon
More Norwegian than the Norwegians
John
OOF – read the fucking room simon.
Simon
Charity is beautiful. And giving is beautiful
But Americans raising money to pay for their healthcare is diabolical
Beate
Yeah, that’s true
John
Agreed
Beate
Charities shouldn’t be a part of basic infrastrucutre
or fundraising
Simon
The fact that pretty much any charity exists is a disgrace. And I dont think we’ll have the tolerance for this system after that
John
oh man
Jen
I think one of the major things being exposed is that billionaires are not going to save us. Big philanthropy is cancelled. Tax billionaires more instead
Beate
yeeees!!!
John
imagine
Beate
Trickle down is dead for good
should be, at least
Jen
I also recognize my epic privilege in this discussion given the family dynasty that I am part of.
John
so the world is going to turn into a socialist state?
Beate
Like I said on twitter when this whole thing started, I am so happy to pay my taxes right now.
Because it now pays for keeping about half a million jobs open for when we return to normal
Simon
Haha this billionaire stuff is such a joke
Like wow so generous
Motherfuckers there’s kids dying from no water
That was already happening
Chop chop
Jen
Imagine! Airline bailouts for Richard Branson. Amazon/Bezos asking employees to donate sick time… corruption through and through
Beate
THAT AMAZON THING HAS ME SO ENRAGED!!!
The fucking nerve!!
To ask NORMAL PEOPLE to donate towards your employees sick leave, when you can easily pay for it yourself and still have billions of dollars left?? The fucking nerve I say!!
???
Simon
Totally! How can we go back to the way things were after this kind of stuff?
John
Imagine
Simon
Socialism maybe. Maybe try communism again. Maybe something new
One idea I have is that everyone can have anything they want. But they have to queue for it
Like you can have a 6 million dollar yacht but get on the waiting list
Beate
Hahaha
John
now that’s an interesting idea
Jen
All lottery system all the time…that’s actually how some of the best real estate in Toronto works
Simon
Lottery is a great idea
For food
Beate
Now we’re moving beyond Norway and into communism, just flagging it
Simon
“What’s for dinner tonight?”
“Fuck knows”
Jen
“get in line, kids”
Simon
Yeh Norway doesn’t go far enough for me
Beate
“I don’t know what’s for dinner, how long do you want to queue?”
Simon
Yeh exacltly! I can make you a peanut butter sandwich right now or pizza delivery in 8 hours
John
this is a brilliant idea
because
now it all becomes about time
not money
Simon
Exactly!
Beate
But time has no meaning any more
Simon
The true equaliser
Money is never an equaliser
But we’ll all die
John
?
Simon
Anyway I’m just thinking out loud. I’m tired
John
Ok
fuck
i was just going to talk about direct mail
Beate
Hahahah
We should have let you go first
John
no – im glad i didnt
this is way more interesting
Beate
Hopefully your tragically outdated system of paying with CHEQUES will die out
Simon
Haha
John
everyone has been saying direct mail is dead for 20 years now
i think
its safe to say an org that
doesnt close it’s dooors after this had better be reviewing their access to donor data and their online priocesses
ive heard
Beate
what do you mean?
access to donor data?
John
a stat that says potentially 75% of all resturants may be shuttered if this goes on much longer…. here in Canada
Beate
also your message structure is an absolute mess
Is it to avoid the appearance of slow typing?
reads like a fucking haiku
John
Sheesh
Jen
I would also think we will all be side-eying why we need to go and work in shitty old buildings under blinding fluorescent lights to do our jobs as fundraisers.
Simon
Yeh surely the office environment is clearly dated now
The perma-office, anyway
Beate
I can not WAIT to go back to an office, seriously, I miss it so much. People❤ Noise❤ Hugs❤
John
i mean – there are fundraisers at hoime right now who cant even access their donors data – not phone, not email not mail
so i was going to ask – can we imagine a scenerio where 75% of charities go under – out of business
Simon
I think we’re all going to know one or many charities that can’t survive this. It’s going to be really sad
Jen
Or merge
Simon
And scale back
Jen
I could see much more of a focus on collective impact…donors might not be loyal to charities as much as to causes… know what I mean?
Beate
Yeah, somehow I think replacing lost revenue in gift is going to be a harder sell than replacing lost revenue in sales
from a government, I mean.
Simon
Oof
Yeh
Jen
I also hope that what stays is vulnerability being a new currency in fundraising
has to be honest, authentic and come from a place of empathy and gratitude…
Beate
One good thing though:
It’s MUCH easier to remote work when everyone does it!
Though I don’t know if it will last when we’re back to most people being in the room again.
Jen
This is another whole rabbit hole here too. Who was never really in the room in the first place and how can we get them there? More women, more people of colour, more gender diverse folks…
Beate
Yeah, that’s true. And imagine all the participation from those who can’t leave their homes.
So many concerts, shows, stand-ups – all those things they can now enjoy
I hope we keep that
John
there are so many big ideas to unpack here
time and accessiblilty
not money and exclusivity
Jen
nice nutshell john!
Beate
so good
John
i know jen has to bounce shortly
and i need to eat betwen calls
and i know we could chat about this all day
i have a quick story and fact
to close us out for now
Simon
Yesssss
Jen
story time and fact time!
John
ok
and this is 100% true
here in waterdown where i live… outside of toronto… at our grocery store, we had a MONSTER lobster come in – to be sold…
he was over 8lbs
the folks at the grocery store named him Gerald
most of the lobsters are about 1.25lb or 1.5lb
Jen
Yes! I remember the Gerald!
Another legend!
John
a few people took notice and two camps/team emerged.
TEAM EAT and TEAM SAVE…(I was on team eat… obvi)
So TEAM SAVE crowd sourced enough money to buy him before TEAM EAT did and saved GERALD the lobster..
and drove him down the road to retire at the Ripley’s aquarium in TORONTO where he still lives today…
Jen
OH MAN I NEVER KNEW THE END OF THAT STORY!!!!!!
❤
Beate
how much is 8 lbs? What approximately weighs the same? Just so I can imagine since us metrics don’t know what that means
Simon
What’s a lb?
Oh 3.6 kilo
That’s like 3.6 bags of kilo sugar
Beate
Ah, an average newborn!
John
yup
Beate
Wow, that is a giant fucking lobster
John
Here’s Gerald at the aquarium:
John
the whole story is here:
John
HE WAS A MONSTER
Beate
Don’t say that
poor gerald
John
he would have been fucking delicious
Beate
I wish there was some kind of size indicator in that photo
John
so there you go
thanks for this RAPID FIRE chat today… maybe we can unpack it a bit more next week
Beate
Norway is opening back up again now, I’ll let you know how life is on the outside??
Simon
It feels like we’re all really busy despite lockdown!
Beate
Big hugs❤
(i miss hugs!)
Beate
Hallo!